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A Close shave
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As most of you will have realised I was on holiday last week, staying with some dear friends of mine.

For my friend's birthday I did some curries and a chilli. My friend's hubby did a Jersey Bean Crock.

This is a slow cooked (48 hour) mix of well soaked beans, pigs trotter, and some shin of beef. It is supposed to be a delicious thick soupy stew.

However on this occasion it had a very strange, soapy, taste and a rather nasty smell.

In the mix of beans were...... Kidney Beans... Dried kidney beans... Un-boiled dried kidney beans surprised  

 

I never use dried kidney beans so didn't twig that they hadn't been boiled. doh

 

Luckily it wasn't eaten or we couldn't have been rather flaming_nora

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A close shave indeed Simon! eeek

Was it a mixed pack of beans?  I never buy those because it's always seemed a bit odd to me that some of the beans in the pack may need that initial 10-min boiling, whilst the rest don't.  So what are you supposed to do - pick out the ones that need the 10-min fast boil, or boil the whole lot and risk the others being overcooked and going mushy? ponder

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Sooliz said:

A close shave indeed Simon! eeek

Was it a mixed pack of beans?  I never buy those because it's always seemed a bit odd to me that some of the beans in the pack may need that initial 10-min boiling, whilst the rest don't.  So what are you supposed to do - pick out the ones that need the 10-min fast boil, or boil the whole lot and risk the others being overcooked and going mushy? ponder

Separate bags. Yes that does sound a bit odd.

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Sat 3-Nov-12
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Glad you all were sensible & didn't try the stew, Simon. I think nowadays, when most people use tinned beans people don't realise how careful you must be when using the dried version.

Here is a link which details cooking times for various types of beans, useful to have around when preparing them.

 

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Ooh doesn't bear thinking about. That is why I tend to use tinned beans.

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Ooh err, blimey , useful link though Nadine

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wave  Excellent site Nadine!!  I usually buy tinned beans, though, I must admit.

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Very useful site, thanks.

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Very interesting site, thank you.  I always buy canned beans, it must cost loads of energy to cook dried ones.  I'd probably forget about them and burn the pan...

I'll try that again!

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Every now and again I look at a pack of dried beans in the supermarket and think that I could save a bit of money buying them. Then reality kicks in and I remember that I'm not organised enough to pre-soak them or start cooking them hours before I need them...

Hmmm, I get side-tracked too easily. I started looking up info on the heat stability of the toxins in kidney beans and forgot that I was half-way through typing this reply. And I still haven't found whether slow cooking destroys them as well as boiling.

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wave I was taught that you had to cook them at a rolling boil for 20 minutes for them to be safe, so that's what I have always done. You then turn the temperature down & finish cooking on a lower heat.

 

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I have found a graph which shows the breakdown of the toxin in soybeans. At 100c, practically all of it has broken down by 5 minutes and none left at all at 10 minutes. The graph only goes up to 40 minutes but at 90c, there was about 15% remaining. As the temperature decreases, the lectin breaks down more slowly so after 40 minutes at 80c there is over 50% left. At 70c or less, it doesn't break down at all.

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bobquail said:

Every now and again I look at a pack of dried beans in the supermarket and think that I could save a bit of money buying them. Then reality kicks in and I remember that I'm not organised enough to pre-soak them or start cooking them hours before I need them...

I pre-soak them and cook them and then place them in freezer for future use. That way I don't have to always remember to pre-soak them first.

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bobquail said:

I have found a graph which shows the breakdown of the toxin in soybeans. At 100c, practically all of it has broken down by 5 minutes and none left at all at 10 minutes. The graph only goes up to 40 minutes but at 90c, there was about 15% remaining. As the temperature decreases, the lectin breaks down more slowly so after 40 minutes at 80c there is over 50% left. At 70c or less, it doesn't break down at all.

wave That's useful to know Mike, I suppose in the past they hadn't tested them so overestimated.

 

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