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- Obesity on the rise
Wed 25-Aug-10
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Danny
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In another thread:

 

shelley said:

yep indeedy; andy and I were just
saying the other day that france is on the verge of the fat explosion
that has hit the uk and the us!!  As a teacher I could see the rise of
overweight tendencies from the start and I can see the same signs here
in France now.  I give it 5 - 10 years before the same percentage of
people in france are overweight compared to the uk;

 


 

I wonder whether or not it is fair to lay the blame for much of the obesity totally at MacD's door? No doubt it is a contributory factor but are there other socio-economic factors at play also?

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Wed 25-Aug-10
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I'd say without a shadow of a doubt, yes, there are many many factors.

Increase in ready availability of "foods" full of empty calories and various unhealthy fats, also with high salt content and including additives to supress feelings of fullnessd and encourage greater consumption that would otherwise be necessary to sate hunger is probably one.

This increase may have a causative link to another observed phenomenon, which itself could be contributing to decreased healthyness; people cooking at home less, particularly people who do cook at home using things like sauces they™ve bought in jars rather than made themselves.

 

I hasten to add that I don™t intend to sound critical, though I™m aware that I probably do.

 

But by not starting from the very beginning, say buying a lasagne sauce even if you do the rest of it yourself, you™re not entirely in control of how much salt or whatever is in the final dish. I read advice somewhere, I forget where, that you shouldn™t buy anything that lists ingredients you wouldn™t add if you were to make the thing yourself. I can™t say it™s advice I™ve taken to heart entirely, but it has made me think a bit more.

 

Another potential cause could be the increase in popularity and variety of available video games and other sorts of œpassive home entertainment " stuff that involves sitting down, and can usually be accompanied quite easily by the consumption of yet more snack food.

 

This, along with a rise in office based jobs that again mostly involve sitting down comes under the heading a œsedentary lifestyle.

 

The increase in office based jobs in many cases has also lead to increased disposable income (allegedly), which again means more computer games, more bought rather than made food, people more likely to drive than walk somewhere.

 

Another potential scapegoat would be lack of time " people are so busy working to get the money to buy to ready made food and run the car and supplyly the demand for home entertainment solutions (not just computer games, but home computers with access that there interweb, movies, box sets of dvds, even my personal favourite - good old fashioned books, which much as I love them and strongly as I feel that reading is essential for a healthy mind, it™s not the easiest of activities to combine with the movement that™s necessary to cultivate a healthy body) that they don™t have time to cook from scratch, or walk instead of driving, or grow their own food, or are too tired to do anything too strenuous when they get home. Part of this is a perceptional issue " it may not actually take significantly longer to cook from scratch than to buy and oven something ready made, but people think it will, or it that it will be difficult or boring and that by not doing it they free up time they could spend doing something they would enjoy more. Whatever. I haven™t done nearly enough research or reading of other people™s research into this to have a properly informed opinion.

 

The above are all broadly economic developments.

 

There are others, but I'm short on time now.

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Thu 26-Aug-10
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Yep. Covers just about everything....we eat lots more too- portion control has gone as  we can afford more and we can afford and can get the sort of foods that used to be treats on a daily basis, like ice cream and chocolate and cake. Also the decline in eating together at a table has affected the amount people eat- they snack all evening on a sofa instead of eating a meal realatively early in the evening, then doing something else.

We move less, do less but eat more and eat more of the "treats" we used not to eat often.

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Sun 27-Feb-11
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This seems the right Topic to resurect for our flab fighting, join in if you like, ignore at your peril.

Right...from Tuesday I wil be re-starting dieting in earnest, I am planning to book a hol for October and really need to get some weight off. I don't know my currrent weight, but I'd guess around 10 and a half stone,  maybe nearer 11. At  only just over 5 ft, that's not good. Can't start before Tuesday as I have a girls dinner invitation tomorrow night, but then that's it. So on Tuesday I'll post my fighting weight and then I'm going for it.

The idea for this Topic is a weekly weigh in, hints, tips, admissions and guilt trips, successes and failures, support and ideas. Feel free to join in, take it seriously or not, take the p.ss if you like, I'm hoping it will work for me, and I'll save a fiver a week instead of going to weightwatchers.

Mon 28-Feb-11
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Thank you, I'll join in too as I desperately need to lose about 3 stones and have absolutely no willpower at all at the moment.  I just know that if I don't lose the weight, not only will I have (more) serious health probs, but will never regain any of the self esteem and confidence that I've totally lost over the past few months.  Hit a real low (mentally, obviously) over the weekend and very nearly called it a day.  Thank god for a husband who loves me and was willing to show me some kindness.

Can't say in public how much i weigh, the shame would most definitely be the final straw.  Got a docs appt for next Monday, re depression and weight.  I hope he can help.

Thank you again for this, I need help to start.  Sorry for being so maudlin, what a way to start the week, don't want to depress everybody.

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Mon 28-Feb-11
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Sooliz said:

  Got a docs appt for next Monday, re depression and weight.  I hope he can help.



You have us to moan at too, don't forget.  There are quite a few of us here in the same boat as regards depression, so don't feel alone.  Come here and have a big_hug or two.  I hope the Doc will be able to help as well.

I'll try that again!

Mon 28-Feb-11
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Yes, TA is right, a huge hug from me big_hug & to everyone else who suffers from depression & allied afflictions.
 Here's a group hug for us all    http://www.pic4ever.com/images/grouphugg.gif 
 
 We deserve a cuddle.
   
  Love, Hattie/ Nadine
[ Edited because the devil gremlins came back & messed up my post.......Grrrrrrrrh!!  ]

 

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Mon 28-Feb-11
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I feel better already Hattie, thanks for that.  champagne

I'll try that again!

Mon 28-Feb-11
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Obesity on the rise ,no problem it's flat on the Fens devil  devil     runaway

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Mon 28-Feb-11
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Sooliz said:

....  the shame would most definitely be the final straw. 


 

 Hey, Sooliz, having depression is hard enough, but don't take the guilt trip as well - that's not going to get you anywhere, girl.  It's ALL RIGHT to feel down and not have any energy to do stuff; it's ALL RIGHT to need a helping hand; it's ALL RIGHT to take time out of the hustle of daily life when you are not well.  And it's ALL RIGHT to spend an hour in the sunshine, take a book to bed, sit and have a cuppa, - anything that keeps you ticking over.  These little things are all positive signs that you are taking care of yourself, and you can build on them.  Believe me, I've been there.  Okay, start the weight-off thingy, but don't make it a stick to beat yourself with.  Do the little things that get you through the day, and a little something that makes you happy, if you can manage it.  Once you start feeling more positive, then dealing with the weight will be much easier for you.  In the words of the song .... 'lean on me, sister, when you need a friend' ....  We're all here for you.  big_hug

PS - Nice one, Seth! big_laugh

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Mon 28-Feb-11
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wave  What a wonderful totally encouraging post Heather.  All you say is very true.

I do know how you feel, Sue.  Nobody, but nobody knows what I weigh and they won't either. But I now don't think that matters.  I am only 5' and have much more to lose than you and Janet, but it is what I lose that is important, not what I weigh now.  It is how I feel when I stand on the scales and the weight is down just a wee bit.  It is how I feel when I look in the mirror ( eventually  )   It is the actual fact of being able to put my socks on without a struggle.  It is feeling motivated to do things and I look forward to the day when I don't feel uncomfortable  when entering a room full of people and wondering if they are thinking " My God she's put on weight"

I have fought the battle with my weight all my life and generally I have lost.  This time I am far more positive and actually believe I can do it.  Oh, as I said on another post, I know I shall never be thin, but to get my self esteem back again and be able to wear clothes comfortably and not hide away is going to happen.  I have promised myself that.

So yes Janet I would love to post what I lose every week and hopefully we can support each other in our endeavours.  

Lots of  big_hug  to you Sue.  It sounds like you have a lovely husband to support you and give you lots of love.  Take everything one step at a time and only you will know when to take the steps.

 

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Mon 28-Feb-11
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Great advice Heather & you are very right about the order of tackling the problems but I know (from my own experiences) that sometimes one is so depressed you can't hear the kind words. I have been so near to killing myself about three times & only my responsibility to my animals kept me going. Once I had come through those periods of despair we all celebrated together. 
I'm fine at the moment but boy was I glad to see the Spring last year.
Sooliz, hold on & try to get the doctor to find you some talking therapy. They seem to be loathe to do it preferring to pump us full of chemicals.  Well that is my point of view. I went out & found some volunteer work in a charity bookshop & being amongst a bunch of very nice & intelligent people forced me back into using my brain & expertise again. I had been almost a hermit for months.
Courage, you can come through it I am sure. We will help all we can¦..but you need to talk, not to hide away!  Just joining this forum was big step I'm sure¦.bravo for telling us about it.
smooch & big_hug  & lots of magic magic magic
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Mon 28-Feb-11
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Well said Heather.  Seth too! big_laugh

I'll try that again!

Mon 28-Feb-11
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Hattie, I agree totally with what you say, even if I did miss seeing your post earlier.  It is the problem of feeling isolated in your misery that is the catalyst for many people.  That is why I try to get out every day and talk to someone though I have failed miserably this winter simply because of the ice and snow.  

I'll try that again!

Mon 28-Feb-11
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Depression can haunt your whole llife, ive been there and got the tee shirt, had a particularly nasty patch after i had my son many years ago , it still rears its head every now and then but at least now ive been to the black pits of hell i realise that it goes, bit by bit and day by day , i had a lovely GP at the time , for me drugs did work . Sometimes theyre just the mental holiday you need so dont be afraid if the doctor offers you them . It doesnt turn you into an addicted zombie they serve a purpose !!

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