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Ranting and raving

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6:47 pm
Thu 29-Jul


danast

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wave No doubt whatsoever.  whistle   whistle   whistle

Old teachers never die, they just lose their class

8:10 pm
Thu 29-Jul


Rae Mond

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check this out, more detailed thoughts on this subject may follow, but I'm having trouble marshalling them, and hate typing anything lengthy on this keyboard.

 

Intolerance will not be tolerated.

8:45 pm
Thu 29-Jul


JoannaS

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I suppose to be honest I have enjoyed having kids and was more than happy to finish uni with a husband and then move into motherhood, but I am enjoying my childfree time now, so it is hard to think you might never want children. But whether you have children or not, the problem I have most is when folks who choose not to have children cannot abide them being around as if they are an alien species that should not exist. I love the bit in the article of the loving aunts or godmothers who value family but choose to relate to it in a different way, now that I can understand. Hope that doesn't upset you Rae, just how I feel on the matter. I would hope you find peace in whichever decision you made.smile

3:17 am
Fri 30-Jul


Michelle from Oregon

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Toffeeapple said:

I think the last two comments prove, without doubt, that MOS and Mut are definitely related! big_laughbig_laughbig_laugh


 

Remember back when Mutley disappeared for a while and during that time MOS showed up?

To tell you the truth, I was suspecting that Mutley was playing a joke on all of usdevil, since MOS's sense of humor was so similar!big_laugh

If you can't be a shining example, be a terrible warning!

3:39 am
Fri 30-Jul


mutley

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Never big_laugh as if we would .

9:18 am
Fri 30-Jul


ep

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Now my question is…are they the same person….and both with a story to tell…whistlewhistle  them/ him to know and me to wonder (or wander on my Bulgarian hillside)….big_laughbig_laugh

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9:59 am
Fri 30-Jul


Rae Mond

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My pesky thoughts have now been marshalled, and at work I have a proper full size keyboard to type on, at home I just have a little netbook thing which is very useful, but not so good for the long winded and self indulgent rants that I like to partake in.

 

Joanna, you couldn’t be further from upsetting me! I think you’re absolutely right, and I really don’t understand why so many people I’ve encountered in less enlightened places than the CSH forum can’t come to grips with the (to me at least) relatively simple concept of “I’m happy with the choices I have made, and I hope you are happy with whichever choices you make”.

 

Is it so hard?

 

Instead people seem to feel it’s their right, bordering on their duty, to tell anyone who has done something differently to they way they themselves did it, that they are wrong. Not just when talking about reproduction, but also education, child rearing, faith, relationships, diet, pet ownership…

 

I’ve concluded that people must be very insecure about the decisions they’ve made in life if they feel that someone else doing something else undermines them so much.

 

Back to the topic in hand – I have no desire to procreate, for several reasons. One is that I was an abominable little brat, and there’s no way I would want to stick myself with a kid like me.

 

Also, and I’ll freely admit that this may be selfish and lazy, I don’t want to give up my lifestyle to minister to first a crying puking pooing baby then a small child that requires constant attention to stop it killing itself in some way or other, then a bigger child which may nor require constant supervision but will still require constant thinking about, and then an older child will require massive amounts of money. And I don’t want to share my Sam. And I don’t want my body deformed in ways that it may never recover from, and I like my sleep, and being able to go away for the weekend at short notice, or go out and not come home til 3 in the morning on a whim.

 

I’m sure that there would be numerous rewards for these inconveniences, and having someone to pay the nursing home bills when you get old might well come in handy, but I can see an alternative life without children of my own in that I think looks more attractive.

 

I don’t particularly care if thinking these things makes me selfish, surely that’s another indicator that I shouldn’t be breeding – selfishness is not a good trait in a parent.

 

These are slightly (only slightly) facetious comments, but a more serious one is that raising a child is such a massive responsibility. It seems that anyone who isn’t daunted by it can’t have thought about it properly. Teaching a child right from wrong, equipping it to cope with life, trying to make sure it ends up a pleasant, good person not selfish, spoiled, rude or mean. That’s a terrifying thing to take on. And I don’t want to.

 

My greatest fear is that I may accidentally, despite my best efforts, get knocked up. I’m pro choice, and I think that if I found out early enough I would probably terminate, but I worry that the hormonal and chemical changes that start when that little clump of dividing cells latches on might alter my thinking. I don’t want to be in thrall to my brain chemistry, though I know there’s really no way not to be.

 

And now I fear I may have inadvertently sparked a pro-life/pro-choice debate. Ah well. que cera.

Intolerance will not be tolerated.

6:20 pm
Fri 30-Jul


brightspark

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Well, Rae Mond – you can call them long-winded and self-indulgent rants, but I enjoy reading them. Your writing always seems to be well-written and well-thought out.

I would say though, that none of us know just what is round the corner, time-wise, and although you are 24, you are as entitled as anyone to your own 'me' time. Take it and enjoy it.

At 24, I was newly married and working in London, and, although I wanted children (eventually), we enjoyed our time then.

What I'm trying to say is that there's plenty of time in the future to possibly change your mind – or not – it really doesn't matter to anyone else - it is an option that you can choose to do or not to do.

 

In the middle of writing this – hubby rang to say he had run out of petrol on his motorbike – so this response was interrupted somewhat (by about half an hour!) steam

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8:08 pm
Fri 30-Jul


danast

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wave  Interesting read Rae Mond.  I particularly picked up on the fact that you said  you might be perceived as 'selfish and lazy' if you do not want children.   As an individual, you have the right to choose what you want to do with your life.  It is your decision and as long as you are comfortable and Sam and you are happy, then that is what is important.  IT IS NO ONE ELSE'S BUSINESS

However as BS says  nothing ever stays the same.  We evolve, we change.  So who knows how you will feel in say 5 years time.  But if you feel the same, that's great.

Of course as a Mum and a Nana,  I chose to have children and have never regretted it.  (  Well not true really, but in general I am happy I chose that route in life. )  And you are right teaching a child to grow up to become a responsible. social human being is terrifying, but somehow, I don't know how, the majority of us make a good job of it. 

Anyway it is your life, so instead of worrying about things, enjoy life with Sam and be happy in your own skin.  big_hug

Old teachers never die, they just lose their class

8:30 pm
Fri 30-Jul


JoannaS

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Well said Danuta cheers

And I won't start on the pro- life debate whistle

10:58 pm
Fri 30-Jul


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I never thought I'd want children, but I had one, she's lovely- staying the weekend, v. nice- but one was most definitely enough. Quite understand the not wanting any…but these matters are entirely personal and I well remember the pressure to have another, at one point every other child in my daughter's class had just had/was about to have a sibling. But we're all happy being just the three of us. Suits us fine.

Rae- do what feels right for you and Sam.

11:15 pm
Fri 30-Jul


Rae Mond

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thanking for the supportful comments – in relation to the comedy value of my ranting and the non procreational life choice.

 

i suspect it may have already occurred to you that I wouldn't pay much attention to anyone who tried to convince me to do otherwise anyway, but it's still nice to have the support of friends.

 

an aside from a rant for another time: anyone who says they don't care what anyone thinks is a liar or a sociopath. I don't car what most people think, but some people's thoughts matter to me a great deal.

 

at the risk of stirring a hornets' nest, is it not possible to be both pro-life and pro-choice?

Intolerance will not be tolerated.

5:15 pm
Sat 31-Jul


brightspark

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Just a thought, Danny, 
what about the emoticons that were promised – hmm, hmm?

pyro and sweating …………

7:38 pm
Sat 31-Jul


JoannaS

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Rae Mond said:

at the risk of stirring a hornets' nest, is it not possible to be both pro-life and pro-choice?


 

I think so to be honest. I don't agree with abortion at all but I fully understand some of the decsions made at a stressful time and I actually blame the system for not being more supportive of young girls to help them not get pregnant in the first place by giving them some self-esteem to say no. I also condemn the system that frowns on young mums when they have made a choice to keep a baby. So I am a pragmatist on that front. I am pro-life though because I believe that life is created at conception and I believe that each and every life is valuable to the God I serve, so that is where I am coming from on that front.cheers

9:30 pm
Sat 31-Jul


ep

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JoannaS said:

Rae Mond said:

at the risk of stirring a hornets' nest, is it not possible to be both pro-life and pro-choice?


 
I think so to be honest. I don't agree with abortion at all but I fully understand some of the decsions made at a stressful time and I actually blame the system for not being more supportive of young girls to help them not get pregnant in the first place by giving them some self-esteem to say no. I also condemn the system that frowns on young mums when they have made a choice to keep a baby. So I am a pragmatist on that front. I am pro-life though because I believe that life is created at conception and I believe that each and every life is valuable to the God I serve, so that is where I am coming from on that front.cheers


 The days have gone when 'I'm a man and a man must do what a man has to do'.  Girls, as you so rightly say have a right to say 'No', but it's not in the present culture.  I suppose we started it off in the 'free love' and 'Hair' days making it out to be OK and the benefit system has proved that it is a way out for girls who have low self esteem and can't be bothered with education.  Have a couple of children, collect the housing benefit, get your highlights done and in some cases neglect the children….my daughter works in a secondary school and deals with the ones that get thrown out of class…she doesn't blame the children….just the parents….As for making choices, we all have the right to make the decisions that we need to make….sometimes it's hard to live with those, but needs as needs must….and if abortion is one of them…so be it.

I didn't set out to have children, but with two quite quickly after marriage, and knowing what caused them, there were no more….as for being selfish….I became thoroughly unselfish and now at last my daughter at least goes along with me being out here.  Her belief is that mum has a right to be selfish now and to do her own thing, she has done everything for everybody for so long…I am grateful for that sentiment….

As for abortion…if you're a watcher of Jeremy Kyle…the subculture of Britain rules….there will always be those that don't take responsibility for their actions so long as you have the welfare state as the surrogate father, where those who are responsible take no responsibility whatsoever.

Make your choices Rae Mond, and it's a woman's priviledge to change her mind…always remember that….and Joanna, I believe my God allows me to make mistakes and if I have to take the other option and not allow the child to enter this world, then he goes along with my free will.

 

 

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