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New free cholesterol health check at Sainsburys
Tue 7-Jun-11
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Toffeeapple
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Yep, that is just what I am going to do Jean, you have been an inspiration my dear, for which I thank you.  I am going to research blood-pressure meds next, tomorrow that will be.

I'll try that again!

Tue 7-Jun-11
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Toffeeapple said:

  I am going to research blood-pressure meds next, tomorrow that will be.

I will be very interested in your findings, TA. ok

I am low doses of Amlopidine and Lisinopril.

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Tue 7-Jun-11
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Gottaknit said:

Pharmaceuticals nowadays are just new poisons looking for a disease.

I studied Pharmacology and Chemistry at University and by the time I had finished I decided that I would rather be in Health education, unfortunately or fortunately as the case maybe there wasn't a job in the area and I had a family instead. Think I took the best route cheers

Tue 7-Jun-11
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Can I balance some of what has been said above, please?  I am sorry to read of the side effects suffered by some of the posters and the anxieties about taking statins.  I take two varieties of statins (atorvastatin and fenofibrate) each day because I have combined familial hyperlipidaemia.  I have been taking these tablets for about 10 years and have had none of the side effects mentioned.  I am taking them to prolong my life - my only brother died aged 32 from a heart attack.  My father's family all had heart problems and I have inherited the condition.  My husband also takes atorvastatin which was prescribed after he had a heart attack and he was diagnosed with familial hypercholestrolaemia.  Of course our children (aged 36 and 38) have inherited the hypercholestrolaemia and have also been on statins for a number of years now.

If you are unable to take one type of statin, ask your GP to prescribe an alternative and give that a try.  My daughter cannot tolerate Atorvastatin so is on Simvastatin.  Even different brands of the same drug can have differing side effects.

I for one am glad to have the opportunity to prolong my life thanks to medical science.

Tue 7-Jun-11
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Dear Irist,

You and your husband are in the one situation where statins are a very good thing. It seems a particularly cruel stroke of fate that you and your husband both have the problem, so could hardly fail to pass it on to your children. Your situation is the one in which statins are a wonderful solution to the problem.

It is when they want to give them to everyone that things start to go wrong. "Normal" levels will rise gradually as a person ages, but this doesn't necessarily mean that they need to be lowered - especially as the medics keep lowering the levels they want people to have - I have often speculated that the nasty effects they have on most people might be because they are working against the natural balance of the body - and your experience sort of confirms that to me.  Many years, no side effects, and you actually need the things. Me - only slightly raised levels (they reckon to use a healthy 25 year old as the standard and I was 50) two years on them and horrendous problems, some of which are still with me, twelve years on.

The doctors have such a wonderful cabinet of cures that they often fail to notice that not everyone needs curing and taking medicines that you don't need can be rather bad for you. Keep up the good work - the drugs are saving your life. Something that couldn't have happened before they were discovered.

Still, if I had been born a hundred years earlier, I would have died of appendicitis before I hit 21. But I don't recommend the NHS giving every child of 10 an appendicectomy just in case - just the ones that need it!

Tue 14-Jun-11
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Jean - love your views and I couldn't agree more.

I also think that most of us do know our arths from our elbows (love it! big_laugh).

I was prescribed lowest dose Ramipril, and I had most of the side effects, including pain on eating, headaches and swollen ankles. Told GP I was not going to continue taking them. He prescribed Lisinopril, 5mg per day - within a week more swollen ankles. I now take just 2.5mg only - no obvious problems.

 

We know our own bodies - if it doesn't feel right, then it isn't right.

Keep pestering till they get it right is my view.

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Tue 14-Jun-11
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I had Ramipril for a while and the cough that comes with it.  I now have Candesartan Cilexetil.  I have stopped taking the Simvastatin and will tell my doctor when I next see him in July.  I'll also tell him that I no longer take the Naproxen too, won't he be surprised?  devil

I'll try that again!

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Yes, TA, I had the cough, too!

In fact, if I'm honest, I still have a bit of a cough, just with the low dose of Lisinopril.

I do wonder if it is really  necessary to take it at all.

"How do you spell 'Love'?" (Piglet). 

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 'A hug,' said Pooh 'is always the right size!' 

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wave  Isn't life strange?  I have real problems with any medication and cannot take any painkiller stronger than a paracetamol or I go a bit more doo lally than I usually am, so you can imagine how worried I was when I was diagnosed with HBP and would have to take medication.  What is one of the tablets I take and have done for a few years - Ramipril!!!  I have absolutely no side effects whatsoever.  Just as well we are not all the same.

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Tue 14-Jun-11
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You are lucky then Danuta, the cough used to drive me batty!

I'll try that again!

Tue 14-Jun-11
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Strangely, my sister takes Ramipril, but 10mg - and no side effects.

As you say, Danuta - just as well we're not all the same!

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"How do you spell 'Love'?" (Piglet). 

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Tue 14-Jun-11
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I have to confess I really am the queen of side-effects.

The sad thing is, our GP in Surrey knew me well, and he was no trouble - except for the time he said "Try lisinopril" - it rendered me horizontal for 24 hours.  The next time I saw him, he apologised for poisoning me! The sad thing is that when we left Surrey, he put a short essay on my electronic notes to explain why I couldn't take the various pills, but the lot here will not even bother to read it. We go by the patient, they say, which would be fine if they would actually bother to listen! 

There is now nothing that I can take. Not after the last little debacle.

Annual blood tests.

"So sorry, you have diabetes."

"Oh, do you need some more bendroflumethiazide."

Since there has been a change in me, I decide to re-read the leaflet.

"Can cause raised blood sugar, if you have diabetes, tell your doctor"

Er, shouldn't that work both ways.

Consequence: those pills went in the bin, and since then my blood sugar levels are those of a person without diabetes.But they won't take me off the list of "sufferers".

Oh, and blood pressure is down. On zero medication.

They don't exactly fill me with confidence, especially when the stuff they are handing out is so very potent, to cause so much trouble to gain a small improvement in the single thing they are focussing on. The Surrey GP said, by way of reassurance, that I had already done the really important thing: given up smoking. (He hasn't) And taking the 75 mg aspirin does more good than anything else.

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Tue 14-Jun-11
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Interesting, Jean.

The only time a GP ever genuinely apologised to me was when he first prescribed medication for my BP. Can't recall what drug it was.

But the side effect was gout!! (I know what you are thinking  big_laugh)

it was mentioned in the published list of potential side effects but he had never seen it present berfore then.

Boy, was I relieved to discover the true cause.

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Tue 14-Jun-11
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That, I have found, is an entirely typical tale - the dear chaps just don't read the literature - just the handouts from the drug companies and the claim forms from the Dept of Health.

Yes I know I am cynical. It is what has kept me alive this long. If I had just shut up and taken the tablets in 1997, I would likely not have survived this long.

I hope you have got over the gout. I thought it was one of those nasty things that once you had had it, had a tendency to come back. Perhaps when it is caused by the pills it does go away properly. Evil rotten shame to have it without the pleasure of the port!

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