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Fri 15-Jun-12
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Very droll Martin!

I have been reading this today.  I know that sugar is insidious but was not quite prepared for what is written here.

I'll try that again!

Fri 15-Jun-12
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Strange coincidence TA as I was watching the BBC TV programme "The Men Who Made Us Fat" on iPlayer last night, same subject. Here's the link if anyone wants to watch. I found it very interesting & enlightening.

 

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Fri 15-Jun-12
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The programme last night was factually accurate - I always resent the implication that the food industry set out deliberately to make people consume more sugar- as someone who has worked in the food and drinks industry all my life, I can assure you it was not the case. It is well known that sweetness drives liking in consumption- I know my recent employers set out on a deliberate plan to lower sugar contents in any products that contained sugars, and also deliberately made the new products developed for the market to be more challenging to consume even to the detriment of future sales, to ensure the sugar levels were lowered.

However- the ignoring of the fact that excessive sugar consumption leads to fat build up has led us to foods with lower fat being seen as healthy, but as a product developer I also know that you have to replace the fat with something , which can be sugar, but can be other materials , and I have always avoided being sucked in to the marketing hype. So for example virtually fat free yogurts may contain a heavy load of sugars- you need to always look at the ingredients list and read the calorific value per 100 grammes and compare it, in my example, to a standard full fat yogurt to see if it is in fact less calorific etc. and look for the total carbohydrate level and how much of that is in fact from sugars.

High fructose corn syrup as used extensively in the USA also messes with your metabolism in that sucrose consists of a molecule of glucose and a molecule of fructose, and energy is needed to split the sucrose in to those two molecules via the metabolic pathways- a product that has a high loading of fructose skips a step in the metabolic pathway when consumed and is easier for the body to utilise. The programme did mention that this may have lead to a metabolic trigger being switched off which normally tells you that you have eaten enough, so that your brian is tricked in to thinking it has not had enough food.

 

The old adage a little of what you fancy does you good still holds true. Nobody would be overweight if they really eat sensibly and had enough exercise to balance intake and output from the body.

Now I'm not writing this as someone who is slim and svelte- I too have gained weight over the years. from someone who stayed at 10.5 stone for 30 years , but find that last year clothes always seem to have  shrunk in the wash.

 

Bit of a rant, usually I shout at the TV when these food programs come on, but it was a very sensible treatment of the facts- even if I don't like some of the inferences in to food industry behaviour.

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Fri 15-Jun-12
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Just home, had a lovely meal of veggie pizza, rose wine and creme brûlée . All wonderful but will pay for it later! Also booked a table for repeat performance next Thursday, the night before visitors leave. Will then spend a few days cutting down on the baddies before restarting phase 1 on the Monday as OH is away 3 days and I can concentrate on me. That is the plan anyway.
A little dark chocolate is allowed I think Sue!

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Fri 15-Jun-12
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Have the programme taped for watching later.

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Fri 15-Jun-12
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That sounds like an excellent plan, Aly.  Glad you had a lovely meal out, and another to look forward to next week.

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Fri 15-Jun-12
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Need to read the books properly and plan well knowing how rough I felt with my first aborted attempt.

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Sat 16-Jun-12
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I have convinced my mother to join me on the Harcombe Diet so shall be starting this on Monday.  As I have only recently come off a very low calorie diet I doubt much will go off in Phase 1 for me, but am very hopeful that mum will see results (she needs to lose 33 kg to get back to normal weight for her height/age). 

 

I feel I need to lose around 22kg myself but want to see 10kg gone before I go back to Italy in September.  I am going to be seeing some very dear friends whilst out there (one of whom I have not seen in nearly 14 years) so actually want to look half decent when I do.

 

The hardest part for both of us will be giving up coffee.  We have discussed this and even though we could go decaf, the fact that we cannot use sweeteners (we ditched sugar years ago) is a problem.  So we shall rather go 'cold turkey' and see how we get on.  As with the diet I came off recently (where milk was verboten) I ignored that and used the semi-skimmed Lactofree milk to no ill effect, so we may in Phase 2 choose to do the same (with sweeteners) and enjoy our morning cup of coffee again (we only have one to two cups of coffee a day, both in the am).

Sat 16-Jun-12
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The more the better, we can encourage each other. I am finding it a bit scary as I love certain things I will have to cut out for a while. I know how rough I will feel on phase 1

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Sat 16-Jun-12
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Aly said:

The more the better, we can encourage each other. I am finding it a bit scary as I love certain things I will have to cut out for a while. I know how rough I will feel on phase 1

Hi Aly, what in particular will you miss?  and is it possible to find substitutions?  I am wondering how bad detox will really be in Phase 1.  It is not terribly restrictive (other than caffeine and sugar) so perhaps it won't be too bad overall?

Sat 16-Jun-12
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Bread, cake and biscuits! Also my porridge made with milk and honey. I tried phase one for one day and lasted until 3pm. I felt very sick and had a blinding headache. As soon as I had a coffee and piece of cake I felt better. I do not eat meat so will have to find other things. As I have said I need to wait unti visitors have gone and I am not catering for others. The Harcombe diet makes complete sense to me but it will take getting used to.

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Sat 16-Jun-12
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I've been following this thread with great interest. As a fellow veggi I'm very keen to see how you get on with the Harcombe diet, Aly.

I also watched the tv programme on iplayer and a lot of it made sense of how I react to sugars. So I'm going to, once again, for the umteenth time, go back to basics. I've been buying non fat yogurts, now with the heads up about the sugar I'm going back to making my own.

I've so many issues with food it's very confusing and I'm coming back to the old idea of 'moderation in all things' - is it really that easy?

Do diets really only work because they give us a pseudo authority figure to refer to, just like when mother/teacher said 'no' and we obeyed? If I wasn't so conscious of the consequences I'd be terribly self indulgent and I often wish someone would just give me my food for the day, with no access to extras. (After all, if I really, really want cake I can just go and make some.... aargh  )

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Sat 16-Jun-12
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It is always the veggie bit that causes problems which is why weight watchers worked originally. Now I do not want to eat manufactured food so it no longer works. The Harcombe diet does actually say it will be difficult but not impossible for vegetarians. Since moving here where vegetarian is mostly not recognized I have eaten a little fish. I do not like the idea but It will help with this new way of eating.

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Sat 16-Jun-12
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Aly said:

It is always the veggie bit that causes problems which is why weight watchers worked originally. Now I do not want to eat manufactured food so it no longer works. The Harcombe diet does actually say it will be difficult but not impossible for vegetarians. Since moving here where vegetarian is mostly not recognized I have eaten a little fish. I do not like the idea but It will help with this new way of eating.

One thing I can suggest is either up the number of eggs you eat or use quinoa/amaranth as these do help (quinoa is more a protein than a carbohydrate and contains all 14 amino acids that animal protein provides).  It may help a little.  We bought in oatcakes to help with the biscuit craving...they don't taste that great but will help.  Another trick learned is to fry thinly sliced and heavily seasoned courgettes - they make great substitute crisps...

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I have been looking at the book again today and will have more egg things. I plan to have scrambled egg for breakfast as I cannot tolerate porridge with yogurt. As the book suggests I will have mostly the same thing for the 5 days. Always scrambled eggs for breakfast etc. I will look on the special organic shelf of my supermarket for oat cakes, I agree it is not the same as a chocolate digestive but if I am to improve my health I know I have to give up some things. As the book says, I hope the cravings will vanish.

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