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Are these Crab Apples?
Fri 16-Sep-11
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mauramac
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Hi, this is my first attempt to download some photos so I am hoping it works.

There are 2 types of possible fruit here.

The top one is bright yellow and when cut open shows 4 pips within a circle.

The one below is a small green/red fruit which shows 5 pips within a circle.

I'm sure I read somewhere on here a crab apple should have 5 pips " so I'm now wondering if the yellow fruit is perhaps not a Crab apple.

Does anyone know please as the tree with the yellow fruit is loaded with them.

Thanks for your help.

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Fri 16-Sep-11
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Help - what on earth have I done wrong with uploading photo.....I'm so sorry it's a mess!!

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Fri 16-Sep-11
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Not your fault Mara, it happens like that nowadays.

I'll try that again!

Fri 16-Sep-11
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Really - Oh Lord - that's not pretty is it?

However - if you do click on the link and magnify the photo you can see the detail of the seeds really clearly. I do hope someone on here can confirm if they are crabbies or not.

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Fri 16-Sep-11
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I've tried to tidy it up a little but it still isn't perfect, we just have to live with it nowadays.  Have you tried tasting your fruit?  The one below looks more pear-like to me, why not try a little nibble, you don't have to swallow if it tastes bad.

I'll try that again!

Fri 16-Sep-11
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Thanks Toffeapple - for tidying it up and for advice. I'll give it a go what_the_heck

The bottom one does have the 5 pips around a circle tho and I thought that pointed to it being a crab apple. Its hard to know when you just starting out on all this foraging lark.

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Fri 16-Sep-11
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Hello Maura, I've been looking/searching/surfing for info about these fruits.

I notice that the yellow variety has a thinner stalk - but the crabapple 'Golden Hornet' grows in bunches, more like cherries, which makes me think that maybe this is the variety you have found.

You're right, of course, about the 5-star seed arrangement, as the flowers normally have 5 petals too.

A wonderful find - they'll make two different colour jellies, I imagine!

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Fri 16-Sep-11
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Is there any reason not to use the fruit of ornamental crabs?

 

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Fri 16-Sep-11
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Dont laugh - but both these trees are in the car park at my local Waitrose and I asked the Manager if I could take some of the fruit and he was delighted as it saves him having to clear up the mess. They are far enough away from the cars to avoid too much exhaust pollution - not as nice a finding them in the hedgerows but still a find is a find and the fruits are beautiful.

I'm just a bit concerned that the yellow fruit may not be the Golden hornet - would be great if it is, but it only has the 4 seed arrangement. It's not falling off the tree yet so I need to find out when it will be ready IF it is the Golden Hornet.

The green/red one is dropping loads so I am happy to use that for now.

 

Made my rose hip jelly today and it looks wonderful - but I found it a bit too sweet for my taste. Might be different once it has set. If not I'll use less sugar next batch. I used 450g to 600ml juice as per Pam the Jam's recipe.

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Quick update on crab apples.

Hubby had another wander around the grounds of the Manor House that his office is attached to and came home with a bagful of loot - well it's loot to me smile

He had blackberries - small wild ones, yellow crab apples and this time they have the 5 seed arrangement inside (yippee)and what he thought were sloes until we cut them open and found a small flat oval pip. Bit of research on internet show them to be the wild cherry. The bush has no thorns and the leaf is long, oval and has serrated (sp) edges. I thought it might be a damson but from the images and info it definitely a wild cherry. I can't believe how hard it is to identify all these different fruits and berries.

Now my question is this - what on earth are the yellow fruit I found (in photo above) that only have 4 seeds confused

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Mon 19-Sep-11
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To make sure
it™s an apple and not a different fruit, imagine that it™s the Earth, and slice
it in half along the equator. The seeds and the holes that hold them will make a
5-parted circle. Other similar-looking fruits don™t have seeds in
five™s.
Apple Cut Open

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I have a Golden Hornet in my garden.It is an ornamental variety of crab apple and is no use to man nor beast, the clue is in the generic name.Vile flavour-no birds will touch it unless absolutely DESPERATE and nor would I.I tried some the other year, awful.The only ornamental crab really worth using is John Downie which produces larger fruits and makes a beautiful apple flavour jelly rich in colour.The rest are just not flavoursome/pithy enough to bother with!John Downie goes a really strong golden yellow and the fruits start to drop right away.

But¦

I suspect the 4 seed thing is due to both being  ornamental  Sorbus and not a crab at all- related to apples, but not apples...I suspect the lower one is from some type of whitebeam and though 'edible' in that if you were really desperate it wouldn't harm you, not worth eating/using, the fruits ripen later in the winter, but drop from now on.The yellow one will be a sorbus too.

Very popular as ornamentals in car parks and the like.Fruits hang on right until late Winter, very popular with winter birds like Redwing.They don't ripen fully until after the first frosts.Again, ornamental trees, fruits  really not worth bothering with for humans,leave them for the birds.

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