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Wild plums and blackberries
Wed 23-Sep-09
12:24 pm
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David B

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I've gathered from general reading that blackberries are a sort of fruit that exist in a large number of sub species - I've seen a number of estimates, of the order of a few hundred.

Some bigger, some smaller, some earlier, some later, some sweeter, some more bitter etc.

n my experience, what I call wild damsons, but what may well be other varieties if wild plum, also come in quite a wide variety, some sweeter, some sourer, some earlier, some later.

Sloes, too, I think can be earlier or later, but all very sour.

I think I'm right in saying that blackberries and plums are from the same family of plant - basically roses.

Am I right in thinking that there is a whole lot of variation in wild plums, and further would my speculation that they would be unlikely to breed true from seed be right, as I understand to be the case with apples and cherries?

All comments gratefully received.

David

Wed 23-Sep-09
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David, I'm not sure that blackberries and plums are related to roses, after all plums have a stone in them and are called drupes, blackberries have the seeds on the outside and roses have seeds in the hips.

I'll try that again!

Fri 25-Sep-09
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They are both from the rose family.  As to whether they breed true?  I've no experience but I'd suspect not.  Although the reason that apples are problematic is because often the fruiting variety is grafted to a different (more hardy) rootstock if I remember correctly.

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Sun 27-Sep-09
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David - you're right, blackberries and plums (and apples for that matter) are all members of the rose family (it's a very big family!) and right again, they will not grow true from seed/pip/stone.

If an apple pip does grow into a tree that produces a fruit that's worth cultivating, then shoots can be grafted onto a rootstock to produce more trees all with the same fruit - and they usually get called 'xxx-pippin' eg Cox's Orange Pippin.

Blackthorn (sloes), the old fashioned Damson, some greengages (eg The Cambridge Gage) are not grafted onto a rootstock and they reproduce true to type by sending up 'suckers' from the ground, often two, three or even six metres from the parent tree! These can be carefully dug up, replanted and grown on into new trees producing fruit exactly like the parent.

So - if you find a blackberry, damson, or greengage with fruit that in your opinion is perfect and you know it's not a grafted variety, then find a rooted sucker and grow it on. Growing from seed is a lottery - but you might grow the next Cox's Orange Pippin.

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Mon 12-Oct-09
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what a shame, i didnt know that about the apple not growing well from the pip inside...... my little girl is looking after her seedling that she planted from an apple pip in the summer!! we just potted it on this evening! oh well lol

if  it dies over winter Wink i will replace it with one from the garden centre.

she shows everyone her seedling!!

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Mon 12-Oct-09
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It should grow OK, and produce fruit in time. Just not the same fruit of the parent apple. Likely to be more crabby, but you never know - could turn out to be something delicious.

David

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