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Kilner & Mason Jars
Tue 20-Sep-11
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Does anyone on here use these jars and if so can you tell me about them - advantages & disadvantages etc.

I know the Americans use them all the time and boil them in water baths etc - not sure why but all the videos I've ever seen on home canning show the Mason type with the metal inner lid and seal and the metal screw on outer lid.

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Tue 20-Sep-11
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As I sell on most of my produce Maura, I don't tend to use these type of jars as they are expensive and mean I need to add the jar cost on to the top of the preserve. I use them occasionally at christmas for family presents, I don't have any complaints on them (apart from cost) but some people find it hard to find new lids (as they are not re-usable if you've heat treated)

Wed 21-Sep-11
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So - would you say that they don't need to be heat treated then to make sure they dont go off. I know we don't here in Uk but they do seem to favour that method in US and Canada don't they.

If you had some of the Mason jars and didn't heat treat them could you re-use the lids?

I found this website which seems to be one of the cheapest suppliers. Lots to choose from and as you say they are not cheap but I just fancied a few for home use.

 

http://www.kilnerjarsuk.co.uk/

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Wed 21-Sep-11
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Maura, I was lucky enough to be given a boxful of Kilner jars last year, some with glass lids and plastic screw caps, others with the metal screw caps and metal lid inserts.  All of the metal lids are extremely rusty and I wouldn't reuse them, I guess they were used for vinegary things.  So far I've only used the glass lidded jars, with new rubber seals.

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Wed 21-Sep-11
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My mother used to put Vaseline on her metal screw-bands so maybe you can clean up some of them to re-use? A lot of people make the mistake of leaving them on after they have water-bathed the jars & sealed them. Then they are the devil's own to remove them. 

 

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Wed 21-Sep-11
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I did watch a You Tube video of a guy making jelly using a steam juicer when I was researching them and he used the jars with metal lids and metal screw rings - not really ure what correct name is for these rings or the jars for that matter. Some people call them Mason jars and others call them Kilners. Anyway - being in the US he heat treated the jars prior to potting up the jelly in the water bath and again after potting up and during the vdeo he said you can only use the metal lid - bit with the seal once. He also removed the outer screw ring once the jars had cooled. I can't help but think this is really wasteful and would put me off using them as would anything that went rusty.

 

I've seen some of the glass lidded ones on that website but I think they are quite hard to get hold of now.

 

So......what are the ones with the glass lids attached to jar with a spring loaded metal clip called then ponder

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Wed 21-Sep-11
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Think they're called Le Parfait jars, Maura.  I've got one of those, pretty blue flowers painted on it in a stained glass effect.  Looks lovely on my worktop, but not terribly effective - I keep sugar in it, which has a tendency to go lumpy and hard, so clearly not very airtight ponder.  Probably just my jar though (bought it for pennies at a car boot sale), I expect they're generally airtight.

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Wed 21-Sep-11
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Perhaps you just need a new rubber seal Sue?

I'll try that again!

Wed 21-Sep-11
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Probably, TA.  But since the sugar in that jar has a rapid turnaround (I have a sweet tooth whistle), it doesn't get chance to go lumpy for long, so I can't say I'm that bothered really.

 

Huh, just typed this out, did the complicated maths thing, pressed 'post new reply' and got a message saying 'forum not set, unable to post reply' eeek.  Gremlins seem to have got in the last few days aargh

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Wed 21-Sep-11
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The glass-lidded ones with the spring clip are commonly called "Le Parfait" which is the name of the French company who made them popular. They are sold here & you can buy the new rings. Please be careful though as there are a lot of similar jars out there which are not made of tough glass, suitable for water-bathing or steam canning. In honest shop they are labelled as only being for storage of dry goods. So look for the Le Parfait signature which stands out on the glass jar. 

Mason jars are American (sold by a company called Ball) & Kilner are from the UK. They are not the same sizes & have differently sized lids. They both had metal lids that you are only supposed to use once¦.that is until very recently when the Americans bought out a new type of lid that can be re-used. Unfortunately they don't fit our jars¦¦¦aargh

http://www.reusablecanninglids.com/ 

 

Sometime ago Fiona wrote an article on old Kilner jars & replacement seals & I have just found it¦¦¦

 

/buy-new-rubber-seals-for-old-kilner-jars-from-adams-traditional-ironmongers-5074

 

Fiona suggests phoning this man for help about old Kilner jars

http://www.adamsironmongers.co.uk/

***Added later to say you can enter this site by clicking on the shop door in the photograph on the home page....silly me didn't look at the instructions right at the top of the page. 

 

Hope this all helps; it can be very confusing¦¦ eeek

 

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Wed 21-Sep-11
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Yes thanks - it is very helpful. I'll save up for some and invest in a few for home use as they do look so nice. However, if you are making jams and chutney etc for yourself then I'm a great believer in re-using jars to make it more economical, otherwise it ends up costing a great deal more than a good quality shop bought pot.

I know, I know, it's not all about money and the main thing is the enjoyment of producing your own preserves and knowing what has gone into it and giving it away to friends and family - I'm really into all of that but I do also like to make sure it's not just becoming an expensive past time.

For example Hubby brought home 6 lbs plums last night - cost of plums £6.

Add to that cost of sugar - probably around £1.30 per Kg.

I used 3lbs of fruit and just under 3lbs sugar plus a little bit of lemon juice and produced 3lbs 10 oz jam. My rough calculations mean that 1lb of jam cost me approx £1.38 and thats without taking into account the cost of the gas used to cook it, the cost of a jam jar, (or my labour wink). I know Waitrose sell their own brand jam for around 84p a jar and the more expensive labels go up £2+. so I'm happy to be sitting in the middle of that price range even without the extra costs involved.

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Wed 21-Sep-11
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But the good thing Maura is you know exactly what is in the stuff you make, no chemical preservatives or anything

Thu 22-Sep-11
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And it's so satisfying making your own, especially if you use homegrown produce, and of course it tastes so much better than shop bought.

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Thu 22-Sep-11
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the cost factor and a big family applies to me, i make some jam and buy some as well, but my sugar beet experiment has gone quite well, nd i will be continuing on when this years harvest starts

Thu 22-Sep-11
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Yep I did say that right from start - no question about either of those points BUT surely you do wonder how much your jar or jam or chutney might have cost you to produce.

I only ask because on the Money Savings Expert (Martin Lewis) forums a little while back I was involved with a thread which had been started by someone looking to start making their own jam from scratch. They had no equipment and had never made jam before. They were bombarded with replies all giving advice. The bottom line was this lady was living on a very low income and by the time she had bought a lot of the equipment (she didn't even possess a large enough saucepan) the few jars of jam she produced would have cost her a huge amount compared to a decent shop bought one. Someone else provided the maths - I came in at that point .

I suggested she looked on freecycle or at jumble sales/car boot sales for a pan and some jars - but she had been given a whole load of strawberries and wanted to use them up before they went off. I did suggest she could freeze them - she didn't have a freezer. It was that thread that pricked my conscience a bit.

 When I got interested in jam/chutney making about 2 years ago I was lucky enough to be able to go online and buy a good quality maslin pan for a reasonable price. Since then I have purchased a jam funnel, a thermometer, jam jars, wax discs, labels, wooden sppons and more recently a steam juicer (I may have mentioned that before wink). I doubt if my efforts (some that have had to be thrown out) will ever be comparable price wise but I get such enjoyment (90% of the time) and pleasure from producing them I would never stop making them on the basis that it was costing more than shop bought produce......but then I'm lucky enough to be able to afford my hobby, and I realise a lot of people aren't.

Mind you I am impressed with Freecycle and how much stuff people give away - shame that it is taken advantage of by unscrupulous types who go around collecting offers to sell on at Boot fairs or Ebay.

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