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***NEW Regulations about re-use of jars for re-sale of of preserves***
Sun 7-Oct-12
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Hattie
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I have just heard about this on the BBC TV news this morning so I Googled for more info to pass on to you who sell their homemade products. Heres a link that sheds some light on it, from The Telegraph. 

 

sorry to be the bearer of bad news.....personally I think it is ridiculous. Yet another example of the EU trying to rule our lives & traditions........!!   steam

Apparently it will be the responsibility of the local authorities as to whether they will prosecute non-compliant home producers, so it will be difficult to know if you would be fined or not. 

 

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Sun 7-Oct-12
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This is ridiculous because it doesn't achieve what presumably it is setting out to do - protect the public.

I buy in a lot of the jars I use but I also re-use jam jars. My standard of hygiene is no different with new jars compare to re-used jars. They all go through the diswasher - twice on highest setting. Then into an oven before use. The lids are carefully inspected and any with even slightest defect are chucked out - I just bought 100 new lids and these are sterilised same as jam jars.

I don't sell my jams etc at public events but I have recently sold them to friends and work colleagues to raise money for a dogs charity. If I could be prosecuted for doing this then it will be the charity that loses out because as anyone knows who makes jam it is quite difficult to make much of a profit for yourself. I do it because I hate waste and love to turn our home grown fruit & veg into produce - that's how I started out making jam. I have since started buying fruit when I can get it at a reasonable price and also people are kind enough to give it to me. Obviously buying in small quantities at higher prices than commercial jam makers means you cannot possibly compete with costs so it's not about making a living from it - just the pleasure of enjoying home made jam and sharing it with others.

Are we now just going to sit back and let those numptys in Brussels dictate to us - yet again. I doubt if the Europeans will take a blind bit of notice of this rule they rarely bother to conform, but the jobsworths here in the UK will bend over backwards to implement it. Remember the regulations about straight bananas, english sausages, scales in pounds & ounces, signs in miles not kilometers etc etc. I've just about had it up to here with EU law......I'm voting UKIP from now on angry steam

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More articles on the subject here (Daily Mail), & here (BBC).

 

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Sun 7-Oct-12
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Couldn't agree more, Maura !! ok ok ok ok ok

 

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Sun 7-Oct-12
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Maura, Britain needs to learn to ignore dictates from Brussels that it doesn't agree with.  The rest of Europe has a very healthy disregard for Brussels. It has always amazed me that Britain is the most vocally anti-Europe yet by far and away the most obedient member of the EU...

 

A few years back Brussels tried to ban wood fires - that would have killed off a significant portion of southern Europes rural population so what did they do - ignore it...

 

Similarly they tried to put a ban on unpasteurised cheeses - so basically 95% of all artisan cheeses produced in Europe.  That was ignored and eventually dropped.

 

Brussels is made up of a bunch of beauracrats who have no idea how the world actually functions...like with the worst excesses of Health and Safety, much of what they propose should be ignored.  It is still within the power of sovereign countries within the EU to override their dictates with local regulation...again, I just wish the British authorities would be more proactive on this matter.

Sun 7-Oct-12
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Ridiculous…although I have to say on a slightly different point, I've had to decline several fairs this summer because committees of schools and village halls have insisted on each stall holder having their own public liability insurance. ( because they don't want anyone having an accident to claim off theirs ) its a real shame as it will put off many people who enjoy making and selling craft things , and therefore true craft fairs may become a distant memory.

Sun 7-Oct-12
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steamsteamsteam      Think I shall be ringing my local authority to determine their stance. I have been buying in jars and lids to fill and sell at our village fair.  I've now run out and am busy filling recycled jars (with new lids when possible) to give as gifts for ......mas.  I'll just have to recycle the jars given to me that do not have standard size necks and for which I can't get new lids.  What a waste and do the bureaucrats have nothing better to do???  My local Trading Standards' officer told me several years ago that selling my preserves once a year would not be covered by the then current legislation.  Let's hope that common sense prevails here.  I hope the WI take up the cudgels with those in authority and do battle on behalf of all the folks who make modest amounts of preserves to sell.

Sun 7-Oct-12
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gosh!

 

France takes no notice of any of this... was helping our village festival committtee clear up their storage shed yesterday... it was FILTHY!! and this included the freezer where lots of meat and other products are frozen for use later... they were gobsmacked when I explained how the uk interprets the laws of hygiene!!

 

I can only send my sympathies from France!

Mon 8-Oct-12
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Have seen many many examples of how Europeans totally ignore the rules & regs.

One of the worst I saw was raw chickens being cooked on spits in a street market with blood dripping down on to other chicken below with fly's and other insects buzzing all around them and other food on display. The guy selling it had filthy hands cutting up lumps of cheese and semi cooked chicken and earthy root vegetables one after another. No gloves, no hand washing in between flaming_nora

Can you imagine that being allowed to happen here?

I don't have a problem with the guy selling his produce in this way - I wouldn't buy from him but then that's up to his customers. I do have a problem with the fact that he (and hundreds like him) are allowed to do so freely and without fear of being fined yet here in UK he would be fined and possibly face a prison sentence (penalties can reach a maximum of a £5,000  fine, six months’ imprisonment,  or both).

Makes you want to give up doesn't it aargh

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I was listening to R4, 'You and Yours' earlier when a spokesman from the FSA was interviewed and he stated that no-one would enforce that, since contamination would not come from glass.  So carry on jammin'.

I'll try that again!

Mon 8-Oct-12
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Added to which jars have to be sterilized before filling anyway.

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What makes it even worse (if true) is that the W.I. has advised it's members to obey this ruling.

Failing is not a fault, refusing to try is

Mon 8-Oct-12
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What idiot came up with this law and why?

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Wed 10-Oct-12
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Well I'm carrying on as before, but I can't believe how many people have mentioned it to me

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Aly said:

What idiot came up with this law and why?

 

A jobsworth, and to keep his job! thumbs_down

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