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Steam Juicer - new toy ;-)
Fri 9-Sep-11
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mauramac
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Hi everyone

I'm new here so please bare with me if I'm in wrong place while I find my way around.

I retired a little bit early from work a couple of years ago and have been loving my time at home epecially now I can get into jam/chutney/preserve & jelly making.

I am a bit of a sucker for a gadget so when I read about steam juicers I felt that familiar yearning and thought - must have one!

Well now I've got it and I'm raring to go. So far I have steam juiced some windfall eating apples a neighbour didn't want but was not too impressed with the flavour. However I was impressed with the wonderful new toy! I cut up 5lbs of the apples (very red skins and very white flesh with a slight perfumey smell (and they produced just over 2 pints of juice) which I immediately bottled into 4 sterilised jam jars). Trouble is I have no idea if it will be any use to me for jelly or jam as the taste wasn't that great.

I'm waiting for the crab apples to ripen so I can really get going on hedgerow jelly, rose hip jelly and rowan jelly, but does anyone have any thoughts or ideas as to what I can use this apple juice for until then?

I would be very grateful for any help.

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Fri 9-Sep-11
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I might have a try at Apple/Chilli jelly or Apple/Mint jelly but I guess it depends on just how 'not impressed' you are with the apple juice.

I had never heard of a steam juicer before this but have just had a scan round the Internet and they sure look interesting and I would ove to hear more about how you find it as time goes on, thanks for your entry.

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Fri 9-Sep-11
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Thanks paperman - I have made mint jelly in the past and used Bramley cooking apples which tasted great. I'm worried this eating apple flavour might not have same impact or setting qualities.

 

One of the reasons I joined this great website is because I think Fiona has a steam juicer and I was hoping there might be some more users on here because of that.

They are very popular in the US and Europe (mine is a German made one) but not really caught on here - yet! I think they will soon though as they are so quick and no messy jelly bag straining for hours. You can find a few resipes etc for them on YouTube but these are mostly US ones.

I'm hoping for great things from mine - but will let you know.

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Fri 9-Sep-11
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This is the first time I've heard of a steam juicer.

 

I'm intrigued. The electric mechanical juicer I was given and tried for the first time earlier this week I've decided is not worth using because of the hassle of cleaning, and the amount of wet pulp it leaves behind.

 

Do these extract more juice? does one need an expensive one? Crucially, are the easy and quick to clean?

 

Off to Ebay to see if there are any there.

 

Thanks in advance for any replies

 

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Fri 9-Sep-11
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David B said:

Off to Ebay to see if there are any there.

Amazon have one for under fifty pounds....just checked it out.  Mixed reviews on google.....confused

 

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Fri 9-Sep-11
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£50 surprised, I paid about £30 for mine here in Latvia and they are very common. I have done apples before but ours were a more winter variety so probably had more taste. I tend to use the steamer to make juice - did some blueberry juice and some gooseberry juice and then I strain the mush using my kitchen aid vegetable strainer to make the usable pulp into jam.

Maybe try boiling the apple down a bit and see if that helps or just use it with the rowan berries to make it go further.cheers

Sat 10-Sep-11
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We love our steam juicer. Not sure where Fiona bought it but she uses it quite a lot.

I would call it an essential now, although I had never heard of them up to a year ago,

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Sat 10-Sep-11
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It's very early days for me to give expert feedback on juicer but last night I made some jelly from juice I extracted using it and was very pleased with results.

I think it is a lot less hassle that using a jelly bag and it definitely extracts much more juice " which is very concentrated. It only took about an hour this time " it's longer for hard fruits or veg. I used up some raspberries and blackberries I had - there was only about 2lbs of the fruit. This produced just over 2 pints juice which made up 3 and a half 10oz jars of delicious jelly. It set really well " took about 15 mins of boiling and I followed the recipe for jelly making in the River Cottage preserves book by Pam Corbin (Pam the jam lady). I am going to ue the pulp to make some jam later so no waste.

 

The steamer is from Westfalia " http://www2.westfalia.net/shops/household/high_qua....._litre.htm and cost me just over £50 but is very solid and made in Germany.

That link gives a good explanation of how it all works. Yes there is a bit of cleaning to do afterwards but it's easy to clean and I prefer not to have a jelly bag straining for hours " this is quicker. You do have to keep an eye on the water levels in the steamer and top it up a couple of times so in this respect you can't walk away and leave it like a jelly bag. When I ued the jelly bag method I was frustrated by the amount of juice it seems to leave behind even after leaving overnight but the steamer gets every last drop of juice and also this method sterilises the juice and you can just bottle it straight away if you want to.

I'm hoping to use it to produce some stock as well and also cook meals with it. I'll keep you posted as to how useful I think it is overall a bit later but right now I'm more than happy smile

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Sat 10-Sep-11
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Anyone know if the temperature used makes much difference to two important things, taste and vitamin content?

When I buy juice I find the 'not from concentrate' much nicer than the juice made from concentrate, but that is pasteurised and I think inferior to fresh squeezed. My guess is that the concentrating process has an influence on taste, and perhaps vitamin content, too.

Actually I think the idea that heat destroys vitamins a bit overblown, and think leaching from boiling and draining the water down the sink more important, because when I was looking into jam I found that it provided just about all the vitamins that 19th century Londoners got in the winter.

I'm seriously thinking about one of these.

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Mon 12-Sep-11
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I picked up a 2nd hand steamer though freecycle last year and fell in love 🙂  It was very elderly and as some fruit pulp had been left in when it was stored by previous owner, the aluminium had a few holes in the juice collecter part.  These were easily sealed with aquarium sealant.  (Definately 'human' safe as it is fish safe once 'cured' after 24hrs)

This year there were more holes and dearest hubby heart  bought me a new one from Westfalia, same as Maura's.  His reasoning being that if I had the juicer I would collect the windfalls and he wouldn't have to when he mowed the lawn whistle  Can't fault his reasoning 🙂

I have a bag of crab apples to do so I am really glad it turned up today.  Jams, jellies and juices here I come. 

 It is also really good for veg stock.  I pop the pulp from passatta in the freezer and add other bits and pieces of veg until I have enough then stack them in the steamer and set it going.  You can use onion skins and the 'ends' and any soft and tired veggies laying at the back of the fridge.  Not that I have any of those, you understand 🙂  I often also add any lemon or lime shells left from my son's cookery, they ad a nice flavour.

Mon 12-Sep-11
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Suky - please be my new best friend heart

I could really use your help as you sound so experienced with steam juicing and I am only just beginning.

If you have the time that is! you sound like a busy person but I promise I wont stalk you - not too often anyway wink

I was wondering if I could use the pulp left over from juicing to make jam or jam cheese with but no idea where to start with this. My recipe book is very basic and mostly just for jelly made from the juice. Any recipes or help would be most appreciated.

 

David - I'm sorry I have no expertise or scientific knowledge regarding steaming but what I can tell you is this. The flavour of the juice extracted from the rasps/blackberries is superb and very strong. I half expected it to be weaker than than the flavour of the fruit when boiled but it isn't it has way more flavour. I have read that the steaming process sterilises the juice so it can be bottled straight away and will keep for ages if you just want juice to drink. You have to add sugar to the fruit in layers before steaming if you like your juice sweetened. I think even with sugar it must be healthier than shop bought juice which invariably has artificial sweeteners added. Try looking on You Tube for Steam Juicers - there are a few videos (mostly from US) showing them in action.

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Mon 12-Sep-11
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Aaaahhh big_hug

I am only a year ahead of you but I think my old Safta steamer had better instructions than this machine 🙂 

Yes, you can make fruit cheese or similar and I am pretty sure the recipe is here somewhere.  Usually I have steamed mine to death and I know my lot won't eat anything 'different' so I don't bother!  You do have to prepare the fruit differently too as everything would go into the pulp for the cheese, whereas for juice you can just chop it all up and chuck it in, pips, peel, bruised bits and all.

You can bottle the juice straight into warmed bottles, treated as you would jam jars.  That is, washed in hot water with a drop of washing up liquid, drained and dried in a warm oven(the bottles, that islaugh).  I never add sugar first as there is no way to judge how sweet the fruit juice will turn out and sometimes you need to blend the fruit to get a good balance.  I drain the first pint or so into a jug and pour back over the fruit to ensure  a more even flavour through the process (another hint from the old book)  then drain a small glass off and cool it a bit then taste. My eating apples are a bit bland on their own but add 4 or 5 big cooking apples and it brings the juice alive.

I have 3 1/2 pints of crabapple juice just finished, will make it into jelly tomorrow.  Then there are the windfalls from the garden, the damsons in the freezer plus the blackberries down the lane, good thing I am on holiday this week 🙂

Tue 13-Sep-11
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Can any of the steam juice owners help me with couple of things please?

1. Would like to make Rose hip jelly. Do you rough the rose hips up prior to steaming and do they go into steamer at same time as crab apples. Not cooked either before but assume apples will cook down more quickly. Would you use double the amount of apples to hips.

2. I made some raspberry/blackberry jelly lat Saturday and put the pulp into fridge as wasn't sure what to do with it. Its now Tuesday - will it still be ok to use and if so how do I make the cheese or jam with it.

3. Can I adapt any of the conventional recipes on here for the steamer?

 

Many thanks

Maura

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Tue 13-Sep-11
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Must admit I was wondering about rosehips, fancy making rosehip syrup.  Yes you need to at least chop them in half first. I would probably steam them for 20 mins or so before adding the apples but you could probably put them in at the same time but pour at least the 1st pint or so back over the fruit to go through again.

Any recipe for jelly can be made in the steamer rather than cooked to a pulp in a pan and then strained, search Google for steam juicer recipes. 

Can't help with fruit cheese etc, hopefully someone else can.

Today I steamed the windfall apples I chopped and froze last week and bottled 2 1/2 pints of juice then I added 2lb blackberries I froze last autumn to the pulp and got 5 pints of juice  for jelly.  Not a bad return!

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