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- Home heating improvements Cost v Savings
Tue 31-May-11
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Noncitydweller
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Just remembered a little trick I used to get the cheapest electricity tariff with my supplier. If you change your tariff by moving companies they charge you a canceling fee (not the correct terminology) roughly between £30 and £50 now for some people that™s well worth doing but obviously not with me (£20 bill a month plus the £63 reward) BUT I found that my supplier (Scottish power) would change my tariff without charging the fee. So when prices were falling I changed tariff 3 times in 1 year till I had the present tariff. So as long as you are staying with the same company it is worth asking for the latest tariff if a new better one is available. It worked for me it might work with other companies?? 

Tue 31-May-11
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 Always worth looking for free or near free insulation offers quite often from electricity suppliers (carbon trading). I had all insulation done for free got mates done for a very low price.  BUT also got last year triple rolls (double if you rafters have larger spaces between them) they charged me £1 a roll. Now as I have the required amount (either 10" or 12" can't remember) I thought at this price might as well put more in but neighbor (builder) said not worth it as A/ Minimal benefit and B/ causes condensation. Although I forgot to ask him where i.e. downstairs or in the attic. Anyone know anything about either that is the extra saving or the condensation??    JB

Tue 31-May-11
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Hey NonCityDweller

 

could it be condensation where the insualtion touches the edges of the roof?what_the_heck

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/property/3345882/On-the.....ation.html

Tue 31-May-11
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  Don't think much  of any of your links, thank anyway. I think I will cunsult my neighbout again and possibly put 2 air bricks in the roof wall. Will have to work out how as I have wall insulation.   Thanks for your help JB 

Sun 14-Aug-11
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We fitted wood-fired central heating & hot water a few years ago. Going from LPG (there is no mains gas where I live - to simulate heating with LPG costs, (at the time approx 3x natural gas costs) just imagine sitting at home setting fire to £20 notes to heat your house and you get the idea). I reckon about £2000+ a year on LPG back then. That was with an "A" rated combi too.

 

In total the job cost about £3700 - £4000. That included having the chimney lined, fitting a hot water tank and so on. Our LPG bill was probably about £1000 for the winter months alone. Even if we were buying wood, we'd be looking at a payback period of only a few years. As we source our own, deducting our costs we probably paid it back in about 2.5-3 years I would think. It would be longer if we had gone from natural gas of course.  We are now paying about £250-300 a year in total I would say for our hot water & central heating because I can source our own wood - and we have as much hot water as we want, no limits! Those costs are fuel to haul the logs, fuel for and maintaining of my chainsaw, and the insurance I need to use my chainsaw where I do (cutting up waste timber).

 

Another factor to consider about non-standard changes to your home heating though is if you are considering moving in the near future - We looked at moving home a few years ago. We have a Yorkshire stove (one of the few models made certified so that you can legally burn wood in a smokeless zone) which we burn wood on 100% of the time and it supplies all of our hot water and central heating - our home actually featured on the energy saving trust web site and in various articles online and even in some papers apparently for how efficient and cheap to run the heating and hot water is. We were even interviewed for a film (for some European Commission) about the issue of low carbon heating and how it can be very affordable too if gone about correctly.

 

BUT- when we had the obligatory home survey done with a view to selling up, the surveyor clearly (staggeringly you may say for a "home surveyor") did not understand about even basic central heating, and I had to explain that the system has a timer, that no, the fire did not light itself in the morning (he really thought that!) but it means that when the timer switches on, it  turns the central heating pump on, which demands more heat from the fire, which opens the air control, so the fire blazes up from slumbering and so on. I even showed him the certificate of approval for use in a smokeless zone and showed him the lack of smoke from our chimney.

When we got it, the  HIP (Home Information Pack) rated us as "poor" efficiency.

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Quote from our HIP : 

 "Main Heating Controls:  Programmer, TRVs and bypass.  Energy efficiency: Poor  Environmental: Poor. (he forgot the thermostat!)

Hot water: From main system, no cylinderstat (it has two pipestats you numpty - those systems do not feature a cylinder stat as there would be no function for it ! Ask any plumber or heating system fitter.)  Energy efficiency: Poor  Environmental: Average.

 

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(the italics are MY comments obviously)

 Despite many arguments and pointing the company concerned (contracted via the Halifax Building Society Estate Agency as was) in the direction of real experts views on the matter, ( even the stove designer himself got involved - he'd won awards for the efficiency of this system)  they simply refused to budge and insisted that a certified non polluting wood fired system, fitted with TRVs, a timer and thermostat systems is "poor" for efficency and "average" for environmental ! - It's carbon neutral, so short of it discharging purified oxygen and baby pandas as a by-product, I'm unclear what you'd need to get a "good" for environmental..... aargh

 

We took the house off the market as a major factor of the house is how cheap it is to heat & environmentaly friendly, which I'm glad about now as it happens as we like living here and the reason to move is no longer a factor, but it shows what you are up against if you have something perceived as not "normal" - presumably if we'd had a fossil fuel burning system in a bog standard housing estate type house he'd have rated us highly efficient (we have double glazing, pipe lagging, low energy lights, loft and cavity insulation etc etc).   angry

 

Meus terra erro est frigus

Sun 14-Aug-11
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Oh non-standard approaches, we have run into those problems a few times but not quite the same as yours. Northumberland is definitely a beautiful place to live.

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